Saban better explain to Toei why they broke their promise about "not skipping a series"

You know what's funny? These Sentai purists never hate Kyoryuger. :P

This article seems to address a very small percentage of the fanbase that isn't even taken seriously already. Seems pretty pointless. Personally, I adore Sentai and despise Power Rangers. I think it's artistically disgusting what they do to prey on stupid Americans and their children, but eh. I don't really give a fuck WHO is behind it, as I'm well aware Toei produces both. I don't see why that should matter. I'm allied with Sentai, not Toei. Power Rangers is shit, and even people who enjoy it (which is fine) should admit that.

Anon1 as people have pointed out many times before they were told to skip Go busters by Toei and bandai

Tbh, both Sentai and PR purist are just awful and annoying.
This article explains the Sentai purist side but not the PR purist side.

i hate saban not for PR, but for their adaptation of masked rider

I think they are skipping go busters because it didn't do well in Japan. Also do you think Toei already doesn't know. Toei approves everything power ranger related before it even comes to the US

"Saban better explain to Toei why they broke their promise about 'not skipping a series'"

There's absolutely nothing to indicate that it was Saban's decision or that Toei didn't approve it. Saban is contractually obligated to adapt each season so if they tried to skip one they would be in breach of contract and we wouldn't be getting Dino Charge, so the most likely scenario is that Toei dictated they skip it or that Saban and Toei mutually agreed to skip it. In the first case it wasn't their choice, in the second it was already explained to everyone involved in that decision.

@anon 1:

The reason why is because Bandai forced Saban and Toei to skip Go-busters because it had the lowest ratings in not only the show but also in toy sales not since Ohranger.

I'd be more willing to accept this scapegoating of Toei if he cited his sources. Where's his proof?!

@Anon #1:

You and I know the reason why....if Bandai forces both Saban and Toei to skip a particular Sentai series let's say, Tokumei Sentai Go-Busters for the lowest toy sales and the lowest TV ratings for example?! Then it wouldn't that much of a surprise seeing as though Bandai are still the heavy-hitters behind Sentai and Power Rangers for merchandising.

@Anon #2:

Yet, they hated Go-Busters? Lol.

That's what we call, ironic. I think.

I would argue. That most comments made towards PR vs SS are just from the commenters association to the source material. You grow to love certain characters and aesthetics of the SS show and then see it flipped on it's head with PR. But if you actually look at PR as a series as a whole, they have kept up with SS as far as quality and writing. They will always have their hits and miss.

The problem we see now is the steep drop in quality starting with Samurai. The characters are unengaging, the acting is horrible and the cast is incredibly bland. Also milking each series by splitting the seasons and tacking on a super on the second half, just makes the story arcs uninteresting as a whole. I'm all for both shows existing side by side, but right now PR is falling way behind.

@Anonymous
March 19, 2014 at 10:17 PM
You are just as misinformed as the people mentioned. Did you even read the article.

"Toei is the real show-runner here."

whose ever decision it was to skip Go-busters it wasn't Saban's alone Its possible It was a mutual decision Bandai may be involved as well.

PR will always be known as series based on SS with the particularity of not having any correlation with their yearly theme and mecha with their story-line. I was never a fan of PR but they are a different thing; they are an adaptation of SS, Geez haters!

i read most of this and this person is just mostly to me bitching that sentai series befor zyuranger showed up on super megaforce and was not given a proper name or back story. well all i have to say is, GET OVER IT! the only reason i know about sentai is because of power ranger. i dont take power rangers as serious cuse its not supposed to be serious. if it was serious like super sentai is Tommy the green ranger form MMPR would have died not lose his powers like Geki did in zyuranger. all in all dont take power rangers as a full on adaption of any sentai series and if you dont like power rnagers DONT WATCH IT! that is all and have a nice day :D

Power Rangers is made in America? I thought almost all seasons were filmed in New Zealand?

Funny enough... Power Rangers Dino Charge is coming out! It would've been nice to Power Rangers Spec Ops or whatever it would be. But Toei just wants to forget Gobusters ever happened... Honestly, I honor both sentai and PR and haters can't hate as much as they want.

Funny enough... Power Rangers Dino Charge is coming out! It would've been nice to Power Rangers Spec Ops or whatever it would be. But Toei just wants to forget Gobusters ever happened... Honestly, I honor both sentai and PR and haters can't hate as much as they want.

While it's true that the implied threats to the well-being of Haim Saban are those of ignorance within the Sentai fandom, that does not mean that Power Rangers is necessarily a good show or doing well by its progenitor, Super Sentai.
The reasons many thoughtful Sentai fans have issue with PR are not wholly superficial.
If I hand you two films with the same premise, let's say the classic Jurassic Park and a Sci-Fi (now SyFy) Original interpretation of said film, it would not be unjustified to believe the latter might have poorer writing, lower production values, less talented actors, less inspired score/soundtrack, and so on. This is the same mindset the healthy Sentai fan has between something like Gokaiger versus Super Megaforce.
While the demographic is roughly the same between the two series, a focus on young children (with a further focus on males in the US), the messages laid forth for American audiences are often sub-par generalized themes that offer no substance, where the Sentai predecessor using the flavor of the year can often offer great messages and opportunities for the children's (and often the adults watching beside them) growth as individuals. The importance of discipline, family, imagination, justice, and a slew of any number of lessons are more aptly displayed with Sentai episodes and series than the generic 'good guys do good thing/Goofus and Gallant' stories that are offered by PR.
And note the depth of villain characters and stories in Sentai, how they have evolved as time has gone on to offer personality and story arcs. The US equivalent is often no more than a caricature by comparison. I'll use the example of Bandora of Zyuranger vs. Rita Repulsa of MMPR: while the early Bandora may have herself seemed a caricature, the series slowly releases that the reason behind her wanted to harm children then control Earth is her grieving at her son being killed by dinosaurs and not forgiving others for having their children still. Rita Repulsa was just 'Conquer Earth, Conquer Earth, Conquer Earth", never having more reason than that. Even though the intended audience for these shows are young children, that doesn't mean they have to be stunted by poor characterization and a missed opportunity at understanding the working of people and the world.
So yes, Toei does have its hand in PR and has since before MMPR. But it also relies on Saban and other North American staff to decide on how to adapt their shows. Until Toei sees the currency not coming as steadily as they'd like or a dramatic drop in viewership, they have no reason to truly meddle in the outcome.
And just to further support that Saban's hands are strangling the potential of the show, the Disney years of PR, though not wholly better, at least attempted to work storylines that offered more growth than Saban had done before or since, actually offered developed characters (we don't talk about OO), and made regular acknowledgement of their Sentai equivalent with attempts to bring them into viewers' knowledge or using similar episodes or overall arcing storylines of the series. Examples to note: Dino Thunder's romantic tension between Dino Black and Elsa or the 'Lost and Found in Translation' episode are blatant examples, but the bulk of episodes in the aforementioned era often adapted Sentai episodes into PR ones.
The point I guess I'm trying to make is that no one should be threatening the life of Haim Saban or the people involved in any iteration of the Power Rangers franchise. That's ignorant and cruel. And Sentai fans need to recognize that Toei gave Saban Brands the okay to use Sentai for PR, whether we may be happy with the outcome or not. But that doesn't mean the opinion that PR is a weaker series to Sentai is invalid, and is as much an opinion with points to be made as the preference toward PR.

Go-Busters had low ratings. That doesn't mean it was bad, I liked it. And I'm sure Toei wouldn't allow Saban just to skip a season. And I wouldn't be surprised if elements of Go-Busters show up in Dino Super Charge.

@Anonymous
March 19, 2014 at 10:17 PM

"You know what's funny? These Sentai purists never hate Kyoryuger. :P"

Not sure if your trolling but I'll respond. There is nothing really to hate to Kyoryugers. They have style, story and characters. You know everything that Super Mega Farce lacks. Oh and creativity at that. I was a fan of Power Rangers before it became the water down copy pasta mess that it is today. Power Rangers will never reach the zenith it once was as long as the current production team is place.

I'm glad they skip Go-busters I don't what them messing around and giving horrible characters and names to J and Enter

I really dont get why everyone needs to react to sentai "purist" for being what they are. criticism (negative or positive) against a show is always there wheter you like it or not. any of the points that Jake has put out on these arent going to do allot and it shouldn't because it's not a problem. what would be a problem when sentai fans litterally start harrasing other people (not videos) for watching power rangers just because they don't like it. not these points. it's just sounds like "OMG STOP BASHING POWER RANGERS" type of argument to me, and my question to that is why?

before anyone going to throw a hissy fit at me read my comment i'm not against Power Rangers but neither am i against Sentai fans for bashing something they dont like these types of comments are normal, especially when you grew up with a sentai show. those shows are essential part of their childhood. so i atleast have a bit understanding for it than most people around this god awful fandom. it doesn't matter if toei is co reponsible for power rangers existence if people dont like it let them talk.

Thank goodness there are still people out there who are still open minded. One thing to keep in minded is there are some Power Rangers fans who are the same way.

Despite being a sentai fan, and not really following much PR Megaforce. i'm pretty sure it is mentioned A TONS OF TIMES before the series even started, that the team before mighty morphins lost their power to seal of the enemy. So now having those teams appear is logical and explained. What are they even complaining about?

Haters gonna hate...

Despite being a sentai fan, and not really following much PR Megaforce. i'm pretty sure it is mentioned A TONS OF TIMES before the series even started, that the team before mighty morphins lost their power to seal of the enemy. So now having those teams appear is logical and explained. What are they even complaining about?

Haters gonna hate...

I think even Toei wants to forget about Go-Buster

I think both series kick ass.
Sentai is more fun and energetic.
Power rangers is epically bad and so much fun when it's good.

And to the first anon.
They're not skipping go-busters.
They're combing the concepts of go-busters and kyoryuger to make one bad ass season.
They're just focusing more on the Dino theme for obvious reasons.
If anything the go-buster costumes will be used as a super mode like in super megaforce or they'll be alien rangers.

"Saban better explain to Toei why they broke their promise about "not skipping a series"

Please do your research, Toei allowed Saban to skip Go-Busters due to the predicted unprofitability that could exist with the Power Rangers adaptation.

Saban should make his own tokusastu series for America instead of using Toei's heroes, watching Kamen rider, Super Sentai and Space sheriff, etc. should inspire other countries to do their own tokusastu shows such as Indonesia, they made Bima Saturia Garuda which was their own so Saban should do the same and that's all I have to say.

Um.... right... I dont agree with this.

Im neither a Sentai purist or a Power Rangers purist, to be such a thing over a kids TV show (regardless of being one we grew up with/care about) is laughable.

The issues raised by many people ive spoken to through the Tokunation board are these -

1) That the footage was there at all in Super Megaforce. The prevailing belief is that the show should not be referring to series that are Sentai exclusive, it should be a celebration of the Power Rangers franchise.

Personally I dont mind them being there, its kind of fun.

2) The lazy way that Rangers are 'unlocking powers' is just bad storytelling. The writing on Neo-Saban Power Rangers is appalling, as somebody who as an adult views the disney era fairly fondly, I can honestly say that Megaforce is lazily written and badly put together. If you are going to feature a new suit that has never appeared in this franchise, justify it, flesh it out and make it count. Most of us would happily accept things if they were actually acknowledged in the show properly.

Admittedly the main audience for this is kids, they have no knowledge of MMPR and take things as they are presented, I accept that. But to put a nod in to the fans like the use of the suits, give us a biit of justification and send us home happy. So far we're nearly a quarter of the way into the season and older fans are giving up, because its simply not a good show. I hope the legend war and silver ranger pull this back, but until then ive a very low opinion of the show.

As for the Saban issue, most people are well aware Haim Saban has nothing to do with the day to day running of the show, but his company is all over it, so referring to 'Saban' is referring to the production staff, who really have a lot to learn about crafting a good show. Sadly there are those who lay all the issues at the feet of Mr Saban, and sadly you cant teach a monkey to write shakespeare, thats all im saying.

I was just annoyed at the fact that they're using suits that have no Power Rangers counterpart.

It's an ANNIVERSARY. It should be celebrating ONLY the suits that were used. Dairanger was forgivable because PR used the zords and monsters. But Maskman and Flashman were just plain unforgivable. If they're just gonna pass the Sentai teams off as Alien teams, why exclude them from the actual Legendary Battle??

I'm just annoyed that they're using teams with no counterparts.

It's an ANNIVERSARY and should only celebrate the suits used. Dairanger was ok because we used the zords. However Maskman and Flashman were unforgivable. If they're just gonna pass them off as Alien teams, why exclude them from the Legendary Battle all together???

And what's wrong with Kyoryuger? Besides the Daigo focus and terrible Pink, of course.

The reason why the skip go busters is because the series was unsuccesfull

The reason for why saban decided to skip go busters is because the series wasn't succesfull

To anon
Fom what I get, Toei told them to skip it, or Bandai convince Toei to skip Go-Busters because of poor sales.

This also needs to do the same thing for GTA series because Rockstar made a lot of money for its microtransactions and for sales. GTA needs to end.

There is so much wrong in this article I don't know where to begin.

First off Toei does not pay Saban to use their footage for Power Rangers, Saban does and even paid Toei to commission new footage for Mighty Morphin. Second Toei has not ever produced or has been a show runner for Power Rangers ever!! The only reason why Toei are credited as creators in Megaforce and Super Megaforce this seasons is because of the pre-zyu suits that has been shown throughout this season. Lastly Power Rangers has always been a American made show. They moved production to New Zealand because its cheaper to film there and most of the Japanese crew that work on the show are stunt men and directors.

If the person who wrote this would have gave sources then this article would've at least somewhat credible but its not and its nothing but a lot of mistruths.

As for Dino Charge, it has been said from Bandai themselves that Go-Busters has been skipped due to its low toy sales in Japan and there has not been any indication from Saban Brands that elements from Go-Busters will be used at all. So for everyone thinking that Saban broke its contract by skipping a season is wrong.

I always find GoBuster to be superior to Kyoryuger. And it was preceeded by Gokaiger of all shows! Not something Goseiger could say. However, main demographic and toy sales say otherwise... Also, skipping GoBuster isn't Saban's decision! REMEMBER THAT, "PURIST"!
Maybe they should adapt Dobutsu Sentai GoBuster instead hehe

Re: Kyoryuger, my problem is that it ended up too focused on Daigo. He's basically a Marty Stu. Sure, Shinkenger also focused on red but they gave quite a lot of development for the other 5 with pink trying to get him out of his shell. Throw in Princess Red and it was actually a good twist! Here, Daigo is just... "perfect".

My biggest beef with Megaforce and Super Megaforce is that Gosei is handing out powerups whenever it's convinient and usually at the precise moment. We've seen that with every set of new headers, with the mobirate/Super morphers and also the Mystic Dragon and the Delta Runner. At least with the Ultra mode (super goseiger), Wild Force lion and its samurai mode, they earned it.

Does anyone really care what the Sentai Purists think? I for one am still watching and so far this last weeks episode changed my mind about the way the show is going and I hope Super Megaforce continues to have cameos even if the Mighty Morphin team doesn't show up yet. Even if they don't the show is getting better. If Toei is responsible for the decisions made for the Power Rangers series then Toei at least let Kyoryuger be a Power Rangers series. I did like GoBuster but I'm fine with it not being a Power Rangers series.

@Anonymous
March 19, 2014 at 11:30 PM

"But if you actually look at PR as a series as a whole, they have kept up with SS as far as quality and writing".

With all due respect. You can not be serious. Have you seen PR lately? The lack of proper plot or character development. Disney run was a hit or miss. Operation Overdrive and Ninja Storm are two of the worst series ever produced. I mean universally it's hated by all. Saban's requirement of the franchise was supposed to be a return to what made Power Rangers great in the first place. I'm talking In Space, Lost Galaxy, Time Force and Season 1 of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Nope, anything but. Instead they produce the same myopic dribble that every other kid series produce these days. While treating kids like they were idiots. Super Sentai especially recently with Shinkenger, Gokaiger, Kyoryuger and now ToQger doesn't do that. Hell, Don't get me started with Kamen Rider Gaim. Saban would never touch on the subject that series dares to go. Power Rangers will only get worse if they continue this bullshit trend contuinues. Period!!!

I DON'T CARE!!! i like sentai and dont watch or pay any attention to powereranger because sentai got hotter girls.... asian girl is the best

As for me, I would not let any show purist ruin my love for both super sentai and power rangers. I both enjoy japanese and american versions.

How about we all just stop bitching about children's progamming and just leave it at that.

Any person here who says Sentai is better then PR or that PR is better then sentai is just wrong. One series comparison does not make a compelling argument. Yes PR has bad series such as Operation overdrive, as does sentai like for example gobusters (IMHO).

Stop putting these franchises on a pedestal and just watch the damn shows. Stop expecting these grandiose things from children's programming. Has sentai spoiled you so much that you can't just watch a show for the fun of it? It has to be dissected and criticized?

I'm sorry but there is a line, and being that both sentai and PR are for young kids, it's absolutely ridiculous to treat them this way. Yes, I agree, that being a kids show does not excuse them from critique but come on guys, don't you think you're overreacting to something that has nothing to do with the shows you like?

If yeh don't like it, don't watch it. Don't ruin it for everybody else because people like what you don't like.

Don't forget they also used costumes from Dairanger and Flashman. A total jawdropper!

Wow, I can't believe how much the person who wrote that missed the point.
Power Rangers is an adaptation. And when an Adaptation is done poorly, you blame the people adapting the series.
Thus I always call out the production team. Jonathan Tzachor in specific as he's been attached and headed more bad PR-seasons than any other person now--including Bruce Kalish.
I've never heard/seen written a single person call out haim saban specifically though. I have heard 'saban' as in reference to the company, but never the person.
and a lot of the people who critique/lambast power rangers' recent years as Horrible (myself being among them) are those that are doing so, not because they are 'sentai purists', but because it's a bad show. When something is bad, people mock it, and when you are in any way tangentially connected to or once had an interest in something that is a basis for mockery, you get mocked and belittled as well.
most people do not understand there is a difference between Sentai and power rangers, despite PR using more and more sentai-based plots. A lot of western Sentai fans started off as PR fans, and when they started seeing sentai series saw the potential PR could ahve had, but the last few years, again, have shown little effort in making a good show.
Saying a sentai series is better than it's adaptation is not being a purist or elitist or hipster-ish, it's a statement of fact that the stories being taken have been done better and with more care. A number of PR seasons have been done FAR better then their sentai counterparts, but in all those cases the story to them, along with the acting and direction complimented all of that for a superb experience. And not every Sentai series is pristinely flawless. Carranger SUCKED So much power rangers turbo, one of PR's worst, is still better than it. Gobsuters was a bomb, and Toqger's protagonists are morons.

In specific reference to the Maskman/Bioman incident of the recent episode that likely inspired that article, has the writer even seen it? NONE of the Non-PR-sentai-based powers have had an explained origin within the narrative of the show, and the dialogue framing said scenes is structured in a way so that's it's fanservice for the sentai audience...without paying respect to the source material. They are not putting any creative effort into supplying an explanation for why they are appearing, and that is why a lot of people are angry, they are sick of the series taking the lazy route to storytelling.

Toei does not have Creative control over what is done on Power Rangers: they license the footage to Saban. To blame them for The screwups of Power rangers is like Blaming The People behind Avatar the last Airbender for the terrible M night shamalayn movie.

The buck stops at the production crew of THAT SHOW.

TL:DR version: effectively everything that person wrote was wrong, or missed the point of why people were complaining.

I know how unhappy sentai purists and most ranger fans feel so its only for the best that we need to ask nickelodeon to cancel its contract with saban.

"Saban should make his own tokusastu series for America instead of using Toei's heroes, watching Kamen rider, Super Sentai and Space sheriff, etc. should inspire other countries to do their own tokusastu shows such as Indonesia, they made Bima Saturia Garuda which was their own so Saban should do the same and that's all I have to say."

Brace yourself for disappointment because that won't happen.

What you wanted is totally ridiculous because if you don't know about original yet horrible done content like Van-pires, Captain Power, Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation, and Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters for Beverly Hills, then you sir are an idiot.

Unless tokusatsu is mainstream in the US, what you wanted to happen is impossible. Fact is that the concept won't work and it will only lead to comments insulting the USA for making its own Armor Hero. Of course, you want that since you're a self-righteous, sadistic, annoying, anti-American prick.

And for the Kyoryuger thingy, do you guys have ANY idea who the director is? Wow, you people aren't smart.

Honestly, I have to agree with this blog post made cause the sentai purists don't realize that it's the job of the people at Toei to make most of the decisions for Haim. I like both shows both the whole sentai purists v.s pr purist thing is getting REALLY F*CKING ANNOYING right now -_-.

If that's the case, then Saburo is basically butchering PR so that sentai is better [right?] You can't honestly say that he's deciding on those PR changes for the better.

Sentai has many things PR doesn't (continuity being one of them). Also, there was the whole Disney era...

I think that this excerpt is missing some details. It lacks to provide context on as to why PR is the way it is.

If Only They will come-up with the Gobusters Adaption,it`s Storyline would take place on planet mirinoi 100 years After the events of Lost Galaxy.

Actually it was Toei desicion to skip

well it's not purely american anymore it's filmed in new zealand now I feel they should move back to los angeles seeing alot of the older ones pre disney and disney/post disney i feel a lot of places they use in los angeles closely resembles parts of tokyo which make some of the recycled footage easier so in a long way i am basically saying they should move back to los angeles

While I respect you for trying to make a point, if you read some of the SEC documents you would realize this flat out is not true or at least was not initially. Saban indeed paid Toei for the use of the license. This is documented so Toei does not pay Saban, or at least they never originally did. There is a section that actually specified how much is to be paid to Toei at each point when each episode was delivered. Toei probably does have a large amount of pull in how things are done but I would not be surprised if decisions like the skipping of Gobusters has more to do with Bandai than Toei.

I do not get why people try to act like they know things about how these shows are made and the choices are made. I am sure it is far more complex than anybody on here even has a clue.

One reason that i`ve hated the power rangers series:Fictional US Cities Where the Past Power rangers Seasons Was Took Place(Except The Space colony Terra venture In Lost Galaxy And the Domed City of Corinth In RPM) w/c Is indistinguishable From The Real Ones Although The Series Is Presently Filmed In New Zealand The Same Way it Was Filmed In Los Angeles In The Past.

One Reason That I`ve Hated The Power Rangers Series:Fictional US Cities Where The Past PR Seasons took Place (Except Terra venture In Lost Galaxy And Corinth In RPM) w/c Are Indistinguishable From Reality And So Are Those Two Aformentioned Ones Although The Series Was Filmed In New Zealand the Same Way It Was In Los Angeles In The US In the Past.

my reason for hating power rangers here in the philippines is that power rangers killed the super sentai series here.

we had gems like bioman, maskman, turborangers, fiveman and jetman.

i would've left power rangers alone if they showed both power rangers and super sentai